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Saturday, November 15, 2003 Undocumented features in patch 3?
VitalyB asks about undocumented features in patch 3 at Apolyton (I thought it was dead?!), and he mentions a very handy one. I am talking about those nifty little changes that don't appear in the readme file but improve the game a great deal. For example: ctrl+home selects all the injured units. What else? Not talking only about key combinations but also of other feature/interface changes that tweak the gameplay.Great question. Anyone else know of any? Big Huge Ratings explained
If you want to know how the BHG ratings work check here.
Me, I'm happy. BHG is using Arpad Elo's formulas (with some slight modifications). Elo's formulas were rigorously tested with decades of data, and they've been in use for decades (US CHess and FIDE both use them). There are very good reasons for all of the components of the rating system. 1. You want to approximate the real rating as quickly as possible. Thus provisional ratings are calculated differently and will have huge swings until they are established. One of the worst thing you can have is to have ratings correlate with games played over time. You should need to play a few games to get your rating established. But then it should "stick" unless your skill dramatically increases for some reason. 2. Ratings should never reset. Ratings are meant to assess skill. Skill doesn't reset. Ratings systems that correlate strongly with games played are not designed to measure skill as much as they are designed to reward constant play. Therefore, they occasionally reset to encourage players to play agains for hte "money title." For example, Battlenet rewards players who rack up tons of wins more so than the prodigy who comes in and wins his first 30 games against top players. Even if the latter player is twice as good. A better example is the money title in golf vs. the Vardon Trophy. Tiger won the Vardon trophy (for lowest adjusted stroke average) while Singh won the money title. Tiger's the better play because he shoots better when he plays. Singh just played in a LOT more events than Tiger. 3. The "k-factor" declines and then remains stable at 16. Even after the provisional period, skill is likely to increase fairly rapidly as the player gets more experience. In that case, you'd want K to start out higher (about 31 for 25 games played vs. 16 for 50 games and beyond.) 4. Once both players are established, if you are evenly matched, then the winner would get 8 points and the loser would drop by 8 points. If you beat someone 400 points below you, then you'd probably get ~1 point (not sure how they do fractions). Established ratings are exceedingly accurate at predicting winning chances. At a 400 difference, I have a 90.9% of beating you. At an 800 difference, that chance is 99.0%. If by some miracle you beat me, you're rewarded with all 16 points and I lose all 16. UPDATE: For geeks (like me) interested in comparing the BHG system to the USCF Chess system can review US Chess Federation: Rating Calculations. UPDATE 2: Errr ... that's the old version. Unbeknownst to me, the USCF has modified their rating system. You can read the detailed algorithm here. Turns out the BHG system is EXACTLY like the new USCF system. As far as I can tell. They just have not adopted the "floor" concept. A new (or rather old) insight
After sustaining a rare devastating loss in a team game (of all things), I'm rethinking some economic concepts. As I've mentioned before, rare resources play a huge role in team games because there are some many more rare resources on the map. In addition to the resources they bring in, they also bring in the bonuses, which makes them super doubly good. Of course, all this is pretty obvious, right? So get a lot of rares. The implication this brings with it, though, is you should set up your economy to get rares. Well what does that mean?
It means maxing out wood and wealth as early as possible. And the best way to do that seems to be an early COM2. I know this sounds like heresy, but I think it's true. First of all, an early classical has less benefit because raiding is not as prevalent in large team games as it is in 1on1 games. It's more difficult, and will likely set you back relative to the pocket players. Secondly, an early classical is designed to gather knowledge more quickly. In 1on1 games, I believe the logic of the early classical still holds. But in big team games, I think you can recover the knowledge gap with rares. Many rares have knowledge and getting those is better than spending wealth on scholars. So... in team games now, I am probably going to start going SCI2 -> COM2 or maybe even COM2 -> CIV2. I dunno, we'll see. Friday, November 14, 2003 Patch 3 - list of balance changes and their potential impact
Here's the change list:
General fixes
Losers:
O4B rankings!
Based on community feedback about the current BHG ratings page, I've produced a modified version of the Top 100 filtered by activity (played in the last 30 days) and total rated games (10 or greater). The table below appears more relevant than the current incarnation.
O4BRank BHGRank Name RatingWinsLosses# gamesDateBHG: any chance you guys can make something like this the default view for the rated page? Then have an "all-time" ratings page using the current default. Thanks in advance. Most noticeable change with Patch 3
Fewer players.
This leads me to believe that there are a lot of players out there running a cracked version and we might not see a portion of those players return until/unless new cracks are released. Disappointing, but not surprising. UPDATE: That didn't take long at all. Game Copy World has a crack already! Now I can hide the CD from Wifey again! Big Huge Ratings
BHG has released the "ratings page" on their website (thanks Thao) as Big Huge Ratings. In the Heaven Forum there's a discussion about whether this is a good thing, should they reset, and should they have decay.
Ratings shouldn't reset. Skill doesn't "reset" and ratings should reflect skill. I applaud BHG for sticking to their guns on this. However, skill does decay if you are inactive for a long time. So a measure of rating decay for long inactive players might be in order. I would not use what was sugested in this thread about a rapid loss that tapers off. That doesn't mirror real skill decay either. It should be gradual and there should be a max decay threshold. On the other hand, if BHG redesigned the rating formula, then showing old ratings that were established under the old formula is highly misleading and they should take action to rectify that situation. Another easy fix is to have the default display page be one that only shows "ACTIVE" players -- players who have played in the last 4-6 weeks. This way you have 2 pages: ACTIVE ratings, and ALL-TIME ratings. DISCLOSURE: To support some of the discussion, I managed a 2027 rating last night playing 5 games against average opposition. Only 2 games (against Ollive) were competitive. Bitter Brit-bashing Battle Brewing at the Heaven Forum...
Some people over at the Rise of Nations Heaven Forum are bashing the British in the thread on Best nations, your thoughts. Brits are the only bottom tier civ, IMO.What's strong about Brits is how the COM techs align with the CIV techs. With COM1, I can max out at +125 usually with just 2 towns. That, along with the (at this point small) taxation bonus, I can hit CLASSICAL and raid with a stronger economy. I'll probably do CIV2 before COM2, so I'll likely be getting that third city up before most other civs. This enables me to do some early border pushing or to establish a stake in the center, around whatever key terrain might exist. Something HalfLotus might like: the longer range of the forts and towers enables British to emulate the Roman aggression strategy as well, by dropping a fort and using the towers, the longer range towers, partly make up for weaker border effect. Once I've built the third city, I'll fill it out with workers and then research COM2. At this point I have a +187 economy. Researching SCI techs, the production boosters, and COM3 push that pretty high very quickly. The better economy allows you to do a number of things: build bigger armies, build wonders to press your econ advantage, continue booming, etc. I'm not saying they are the strongest civ, but they are better than a number of them. They are certainly better than Russians. Let's put it this way, I'm happy when I get Brits. Thursday, November 13, 2003 Patch 3 is out!
BHG announced that Patch 3 is out! The download version is not available yet, but it should load automatically when you enter Gamespy. Nod to HalfLotus for the heads up.
UPDATE: You can download patch here (BHG). UH-OH! I am unmasked
I discovered a nearby colleague with whom I work also has a blog: Raj's ruminations. His is more thoughtful than mine, of course, but in discussing blogs we both commented on what the loss of anonymity might do to our blogging habits. No more blogging about how much I hate my job! (Just kidding -- I don't.)
Some people have blogs that are anonymous and they write some revealing things. The blogosphere acts as a sort of confessional. But if people you know read your blog, such as Wifey, The Boss, your parents, your GF, etc., then you have to be more circumspect about what you reveal. Maybe. We'll see. Bad strategy in action
Yahoo has a story on the theory that Saddam might be behind the insurgency in Iraq. The recent string of high-profile attacks on U.S. and allied forces in Iraq has appeared to be so methodical and well crafted that some top U.S. commanders now fear this may be the war Saddam Hussein and his generals planned all along. Knowing from the 1991 Persian Gulf War that they could not take on the U.S. military with conventional forces, these officers believe, the Baath Party government cached weapons before the Americans invaded this spring and planned to employ guerrilla tactics.This was actually something I had considered before the war in our watercooler talk around the office. Saddam's bluster was just a front. He had to know there was no way he could win a head-to-head battle against U.S. forces. Given that situation, what was his best course of action? When faced with a superior force, avoid battle. Appear weak where you are strong. Use surprise attacks to sap the will of the enemy occupation forces. These are basic strategy concepts. I find it hard to believe that this outcome comes as much of a surprise. But, the Yahoo story goes on to say: If these observations are borne out, it would be a significant departure from previous U.S. government assessments. Before the war, the Bush administration never gave any indication that it expected to face a large-scale, planned guerrilla campaign. Just recently, U.S. officials who interrogated former Iraqi deputy prime minister Tariq Aziz and other former Iraqi officials said they found no evidence of such a strategy.Where was mighty RAND? Some simple game theory analysis would have likely indicated that the Iraqi leadership would attempt some form of long haul insurgency. They know we can't stay there forever, but they can. Time is on their side. This is one reason why I think a prerequisite for promotion to General should be some form of hard-core strategy gaming experience. This is something that probably should have been obvious. We should have planned for it and set appropriate expectations with the UN, our allies, and the people of this country. Success will probably require us to have a presence there for years. Maybe longer. Wednesday, November 12, 2003 Stunning revelation!
Micro tip -- using the General's Forced March
WhiskeyPete posts a good solution to this problem: I seem to have a problem that when using forced march, unless the general is with an army of all cavalry he outpaces the other units and thus doesn't help them out with the forced march ability after a short amount of time has passed. Just pulling weeds, baby. Just pulling weeds
Some people have taken umbrage over my response to Sea Biscuit's Tips for playing koreans. He said this: i dont play them much so i dont know. let me knowMy response was short: ROFL! You should probably play them some before posting anymore "tips."I followed it with an explanation: "Tips" are generally considered as "here's something that has worked for me, give it a try" or "here's my well-thought out analysis, see how this works for you."This was apparently offensive to Sea Biscuit who responded: O4B- Do you have a psychiatrist??? you need one!and I am not sure what you are trying to contribute to this discussion.Here was my response to that: I take strategy pretty seriously. Whether it be for games, economics, negotiations, or plain old office politics. I enjoy game theory and the search for the Nash equilibrium. I believe that it is important for strategy development for strategies to be published so that others can improve them or refute them. Publishing strategies, tips, and techniques helps the community as a whole improve and increases the talent available for pushing the strategic envelope. Another role for helping the community is commentary on strategies so that newer players can get a sense for whether a strategy is worth pursuing or not. To cultivate a garden, you have to pull some weeds. That's all I'm doing. Pulling weeds.I sure this will end on a positive note. Best nations, your thoughts. - Rise of Nations Heaven Forums
Arch Mage asks the common question: What's the best nation? It's good to periodically review this because perceptions and fashions change. What was once good might not be as effective once people learn to counter certain strengths. (Don't forget those Nubians!) Also, I'd like to mention that some people believe the Germans are a top 5 civ. (So don't forget the Germans.)Personally, I like Chinese and British the best. Koreans, Mayans, and Mongols are good, of course, but they don't fit my playstyle quite as well. I prefer Chinese, but British absolutely rock in team games where you have a chance to get the mighty economy going. Nubians Rock!
TuF_Astator has the current lead in the Celtic Warriors Info Age race with the amazing time of 22:35. And he used Nubians! OT: Kasparov vs. X3D Fritz -- Game 1 analysis
The Official X3D wesbite has this analysis of Game 1. The game ended in a draw, but it was an exciting draw, with Garry being up the exchange, but the computer with more active pieces. Garry Kasparov came and he saw, but in the end he could not conquer. His took the fight right to X3D Fritz in this exciting first game and gained a substantial advantage. The machine defended precisely and then battled back at the first opportunity. X3D Fritz gained enough play to force a draw, an offer that Kasparov could not refuse.I managed to watch a big chunk of this game on ESPN2 yesterday. It's extremely rare to have chess matches shown live on TV. They did a good job making this interesting to watch. Errr.... interesting to a strategy gaming geek, I suppose. Next match is schedule for 1 pm EST on Thursday. I'll be setting my Snapstream to record that one! HEY! I can do that ONLINE! UPDATE: WOW! That took 2 mintues to log in and set the computer to record all of the future episodes! That is waaaaaay cool. Almost as cool as the Warhammer 40k mod for Rise of Nations. Flamethrowers inspire some flaming
Raven has some reading comprehension problems. You guys probably don't know this but Knight and O4B said flamethrowers are useless...Here's what I actually said: So what the heck are Flamethrowers supposed to do? The AI makes these guys all the time in SP, but I have yet to (consciously) make these in a competitive MP game. Wouldn't you rather just reduce it with artillery instead of attacking the garrison? I mean, we are talking industrial age here... Does anyone make them, and if so what do you use them for?I hope everyone notices, I was asking what people use them for, which is far different from saying they are useless. At any rate, he does offer a pretty interesting use for flamethrowers. In modern/indust age, coupled with a general and a couple scout cars, sneak into emeny base until you find a unveristy, flame it!! and Out come to scholars, now fry/shoot them, kill those nerds!!Of course, I have never seen this in a game nor a recording, so it's apparently only theoretical at this point. But it sure sounds like a great idea. Or does it? Tann counters with this: I dont see the point to take his scholars...when all you need to do is send in a small force of a flamie, 5-6 specforc and some machine guns....dont forget the general this will take down a city in seconds...then you can have all the buildings....not just the uni.Indeed. UPDATE: Polly weighs in with The Answer. OT: Karaoke Revolution!
I told Wifey not to get me anything for my birthday (or Christmas) since I built a new computer and bought a Mercedes. I mean what do you get for the man who has everything? The answer is this: Karaoke Revolution Turn your PlayStation 2 into a high-end, interactive karaoke machine with Karaoke Revolution, the latest in Konami's award-winning line of music video games. Featuring an impressive list of tunes from current hits to yesterday's classics, Karaoke Revolution will give gamers of all types something to sing about. Sing your favorite tunes while Karaoke Revolution judges you. Perform your way to the ultimate concert venue in Showtime Mode. Choose from a list of hits from the 70's, 80's, 90's and today!Wifey and I played it for several hours last night. It's a lot of fun. It'll be more fun at parties as up to 8 players can compete and you can have your own little American Idol party. With the big screen TV we have, the PS2 becomes a very entertaining party game. Tuesday, November 11, 2003 GRUDGEMATCH! -- O4B vs. WhiskeyPete
Game is here (MFO)
So WhiskeyPete tracks me down in the unrated lobby and says he wants to challenge the "blogmaster" himself. Despite wifey being home, I agreed to play, even though that meant playing with the sound off and some light key stroking (no banging on the keyboard obviously). niDe and WP both asked me why I don't just use headphones. Well, the noise isn't really the issue. It's the playing that's the issue. To keep from getting caught playing, I have to have the sound low. I can't use headphones because I need to be able to hear her sneaking down the stairs. So slightly handicapped, I hosted up a game and we commenced to playing. It was secret random; he chose Koreans and I chose Chinese. I hit classical not too long after him and raded a bit some HA. He fended me off with LC. Although I killed some villagers and caravans. It did put me behind in getting my 3rd city up. With a presumed slight econ advantage, I pressed the boom, getting to Medieval and putting up both the Colossus and Pyramids. I made a fort and sent a spy to to make informers in most of his cities. Meanwhile, I kept pushing on the econ envelope, crusing along. Then I realized I still hadn't made much military. At that point he attacks my weak middle area with a large force. I tried to slow them down but they pressed right on through my troops. I made it to enlightenment age and upgraded for the counter attack, but not before he managed to sack my main econ city - the one with the Pyramids. I took it back and destroyed hsi army. He managed to slip away 2 cannons and a supply cart. Those managed to bring down the Colossus wonder before I could kill them off. So the game settled down into a slugfest in the middle, where he had a strongpoint which was flanked on one side by an expansion town of mine. My poor micro kept me from managing my troops properly and so despite a larger econ, I was unable to capture his forward city. I'd about had enough trnech warfare, so I went industrial and built the SOL. He followed me into Industrial but beat me to Modern. Neither of us was making any headway. However, I wasn't too worried because I had informers all over his territory and could see his troop strength. I was making just enough to prevent him from breaking through. Eventually I reached the Info Age and made a bunch of Apache helicopters who tore up his defenseless ground troops. I also attacked on the wing with a small raiding force to capture a flank town. With his army gone I managed to finally capture that forward town. He resigned once I started lobbing shells onto his capital. So despite the sound handicap, I managed to eke out a lucky win and maintain blogging rights for another week. GG! Monday, November 10, 2003 Spain - one of Sea Biscuit's favorite civs
Patch 3 coming soon?
According to the Big Huge Games website, patch 3 should be out in a matter of days. Patch 3 has been given the green light by the Microsoft testing team and is being packaged for release. This includes a localization pass and the creation of a stand-alone version of the patch. This means that Patch 3 will be available for download in a matter of days.Thanks to LameAim for the heads up! Sunday, November 09, 2003 Some thoughts on trading
Knight posts on his blog something I hadn't really considered about markets. [Trading] usually means you are not managing your resources properly. Yet, one of the great new ideas BHG implemented was a commerce cap, thus making trade at the market more important.That's a great point. Sometimes you have to trade because the commerce cap doesn't allow you to get what you really need. SPOTLIGHT GAME: HalfLotus (Roman Aggression) vs. PCA_Mell
HalfLotus posted a new Roman Aggression rec at Rise of Nations Universe. This time is against someone decent. And this time it loses. Well every strategy has its foil, in this case it's Turks with gems. There's a replay at RoNU. With his free catapults, my towering/sieging was for naught, I should have taken a different approach. The raiding went well, I might have been able to outboom him. I was able to catch up later, then made a significant strategic error which cost me the game.Download the game here. UPDATE: Okay, I watched the game. This was a great example of pulling defeat from the jaws of victory. Twice. In one game. I'll give my comments on the game below. But I encourage everyone to watch this game. It has several instructive elements:
Anyway, this was a great game to watch. GG fellas! Does anyone ever make Flamethrowers?
So what the heck are Flamethrowers supposed to do? The AI makes these guys all the time in SP, but I have yet to (consciously) make these in a competitive MP game. The official MS site says: The particular value of the Flamethrower (besides great animation) - is that using it against enemy-occupied buildings results in the expulsion of the garrisons of those buildings. The buildings and the units don't fare very well, either.Wouldn't you rather just reduce it with artillery instead of attacking the garrison? I mean, we are talking industrial age here... Does anyone make them, and if so what do you use them for? What makes the "best" RTS?
In the MFO Rise of Nations Forum someone was arguing that Starcraft is the best RTS game ever. I disagreed. Starcraft is one of the best games ever made, but IMO, there are certain things missing from Starcraft that are in other games.
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